If you start to work at The StarTUp in Towson, you might never stop

Our CVP Towson stop on the The Maryland Crab Cake Tour brought Patrick McQuown, Executive Director of The StartUp at Towson University, over a few blocks to discuss the unique co-working space offering 6,000 square feet of free, no-membership workspace – and open five days a week. “It’s kinda like a working library without the books!”

Patrick McQuown, Executive Director of The StartUp at Towson University, discusses the unique co-working space that offers 6,000 square feet of free, no-membership workspace, open five days a week. The space, which opened post-COVID, includes 500 workspaces and six conference rooms. McQuown highlights success stories like Zen Joy, which raised $40,000 and is now in 200 food stores. The StartUp also houses an accelerator for early-stage companies. McQuown emphasizes the community aspect, with 30-35 people using the space daily, including professionals like Jim from MedStar. The StartUp aims to foster entrepreneurship and innovation, engaging both the individual and business community.

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Towson University, co-working space, start-up, incubator, accelerator, community engagement, free workspace, entrepreneurial program, MedStar, economic development, student involvement, business support, conference rooms, pandemic project, local business.

SPEAKERS

Patrick McQuown, Nestor Aparicio

Nestor Aparicio  00:00

Welcome home. We are W, N, S, T, am 1570 Towson, Baltimore. We are Baltimore positive. We’re Towson positive. Today, we’re positively here at C, V, P, we are in the heart of downtown Towson. We had Head Coach Pat scary on trying to feature some things going on, not just on a university, but off the university and around the corner. It’s all brought to you by the Maryland lottery had the magic eight ball scratch offs. This has been a lucky batch. I have some pictures of some winners here today, and one of our lucky winners is our next guest. I’m gonna get the pronunciation is a little weird because my name’s Nestor Aparicio. People mess it up. Patrick MC Wow. Clown, yeah. Q, U, O, W, M, which is not going to make it on Wordle now, but anytime there’s a Q, there’s a U, and sometimes it’s a k, so I don’t know exactly how to pronounce that. Yeah,

Patrick McQuown  00:50

trust me, you’re not the only one. Irish. Are you? For real? Scottish?

Nestor Aparicio  00:53

Scottish? All right. Oh, Scottish. It’s crap Scottish. You are the executive director, and you have a big, fancy title at this fancy start up, and the start top, the TU stands for tu. That Pat, scary is doing over the corner. Tell me about startup. I’ve heard a lot of things about you. We’re connected on Facebook and LinkedIn and all these places, but I don’t know enough about your organization.

Patrick McQuown  01:17

Yeah, yeah, no problem. So the startup is a building and programming that goes on inside the building. So it’s effectively unlike any other building anywhere in the world. And don’t take my word for it, poets and quants called us that. And so Who’s that? Poets and quants is the leading publication for colleges of business. Okay, good to know. It’s a Forbes for colleges. So effectively, you walk in the front door and there’s 6000 square feet of free co working no membership, no fee, no affiliation with the university, open five days a week. Got 500 workspace. So it’s a co working space. Anybody can use it, yep.

Nestor Aparicio  01:52

Would the word incubator be somewhat No, not cowork. Co working space. That is, this isn’t a small business. I’ve seen those two.

Patrick McQuown  02:01

We have that going on. We have something else going on, but that 6000 square feet is solely dedicated to the community for free, co working space. So it’s a library without books. Yeah, federally, it’s a library, right? Okay,

Nestor Aparicio  02:15

all right, we’re done. Now we can go home. Now we go get a crab cake idea for this. I mean, that seems so simplistic. I have space. It has Wi Fi. We have desks. We want people in the community to work and have jobs and have the gig economy and all that. Right, yeah, that’s where we are. So there wasn’t really a calling for this years ago, because, like my wife at Verizon, she had an office. They made her come to that office, and that’s where you went to work, or you worked from home, or you went and got a suite up and set, you know, 302 up here, and paid six grand a month. That’s, that’s how we did things before

Patrick McQuown  02:51

COVID. Yummy, yep, yep. So we opened in 21 after COVID. So this was a COVID project. We had the construction going on all during COVID. Yeah, well,

Nestor Aparicio  03:00

I mean, five years ago, you know, tapping everybody on the shoulder and masking up. Where were you five years ago? Where were you? Patrick mcquan, five years ago today, like you were in the process of getting this going anyway, yeah, yeah. So I

Patrick McQuown  03:14

moved and got hired here in February, Valentine’s Day, 2020 is when I moved. Yeah, came right into the sauce. My wife and I really lucked out. We had like, furniture delivered when it was like, shelter in place, you know, curbside probably,

Nestor Aparicio  03:29

yeah, well, CBP was one of the places where I got involved with them. They were doing hot meals for first responders, yep, at GBMC and Sinai and st Joe and the community. And life was different then. So where is your space? Because I’m sure I’ve driven by it 1000

Patrick McQuown  03:45

times. Yeah, right, at Chesapeake and Washington 307, Washington Avenue. Okay,

Nestor Aparicio  03:49

so the idea and your background, you’re successful, you’ve

Patrick McQuown  03:53

sold businesses, right? I was a student entrepreneur at George Washington University,

Nestor Aparicio  03:57

yeah. All right. So you so been the listener. What Smith Center to what? What did you do? What did you sell? What was your special? Yeah, so

Patrick McQuown  04:06

my first company was Proteus, and effectively we did texting. So think of like American Idol texting to poll, pro,

Nestor Aparicio  04:12

P, R, O, T, E, S, T, E, U, S, I’ve not I know that name. Everybody

Patrick McQuown  04:16

knows it because American Idol, no, I wish I could take that claim that everyone knows it from that No, Proteus was a Greek god. Sent him Poseidon. And so it’s a name that, like everybody hears, and they’re like, Oh, I know Proteus. It’s like, Nestor, yeah. And then that new, you know, Nestor is a Greek god, yeah, I didn’t you know that. Nobody knows. So I got a student, Hermes, and everyone calls him, like the luxury brand Hermes. He’s like, No, I’m Hermes, like the running guy. Well,

Nestor Aparicio  04:41

you get all the smarts, dude. Because they’re all trying to do things anyhow. So are you in the entrepreneurial program? Give me, give me the relationship with the university and the community, and, yeah, just in a general sense, where you came from, I guess in 18 or 19 you say we’re gonna have this thing called a startup. That’s gonna be what I explained pretty easily, which. Is anybody can come over and plug in and get away from their house, their works, but go to a go to work at a place in Towson, right? Yeah. So I’m gonna give

Patrick McQuown  05:08

you the crib notes. So again, I was a two time exit founder. Then I went to go teach at Yale University. I found this thing where you help students and faculty start companies. Did you get good pizza there? Yeah? Frank Pepe, yeah. Everybody, when I mentioned New Haven, I got to talk, yeah? It’s Frank Pepe, yeah. Okay, pizza. So went from there, and then effectively became Executive Director of entrepreneurship at James Madison University. Okay, it’s getting divorced. Harrisonburg is great place to live. Getting divorced. Okay, so I focused solely on students. Was very successful there. Met my wife, who’s from Manhattan, said, Well, I’m gonna go back into the private sector. And then tu recruited me. And so when I came down here, I’d never, never been to Towson. It was always the sign on 95 you know, the other Kim schatzels, yep, Kim schatzel recruited me. Okay, so she told me about the bill, and I said, Look, I can drop kick that. And so she wanted to do something a little bit different, which was like, we bring businesses in and we charge them. Said, No, I’m doing this. And to her credit, she was like, you run with it, and Towson, let me run with it. What?

Nestor Aparicio  06:05

What are you running? So we got that. We got the give me the elevator speech. When you go in and meet the president of Towson right before the plague, and you’re like, I got it. She has a building. You have an idea. That’s now how you know, like, people talk to me. Talk about you a lot to me. So whatever you’re doing, you’re doing something. I

Patrick McQuown  06:20

appreciate that. So we got the free co working space. Then we got six space. Then we got six conference rooms. Any org can reserve complimentary, anywhere from 25 people to 100 people. And you can, hey for you

Nestor Aparicio  06:29

here in this I can have conference meetings in his place. Free Trial. They have to bring him over my house.

Patrick McQuown  06:33

He knows it. Yeah, he knows it. So we got that. You know, I

Nestor Aparicio  06:36

used to do this is the back room at the CVP. Here. You can do that we got, all right. Check. You have a big screen where I can impress people?

Patrick McQuown  06:44

Yeah, they all got 100 inch screens in them. This would

Nestor Aparicio  06:47

be funny, like I would get a new card with your address on it and tell everybody that’s my new office. Yeah, you gotta meet my new office in downtown Towson. Big office. I have a full multimedia center all of that, right? So it allows a jack wagon like me from Dundalk to play big. Yeah, it

Patrick McQuown  07:04

engages our community on the both the individual and business level, and it’s it’s really been a game changer, all right, so

Nestor Aparicio  07:10

it’s a sleepy, sort of chilly, crappy Friday afternoon in March. Today, it’s almost three o’clock on a Friday afternoon. Nobody works on Fridays ever. How many people were in the building

Patrick McQuown  07:22

right now when I left, there’s probably in the co working space, about 3030, yeah. What

Nestor Aparicio  07:26

are they doing? Give me, give me a little bit

Patrick McQuown  07:30

from like Jim, who’s there every day. Jim is the SVP of analytics for MedStar. He’s there every day. That’s where he works. He works out of there every day. In fact,

Nestor Aparicio  07:39

Jim from MedStar work. There is it? Screaming kids at home, not the right workspace. Wants to, like, be in a work.

Patrick McQuown  07:45

Since he wasn’t a practicing clinician, he basically lost his office during COVID. When he found out about the building, he was sick of working from home, and everybody just loves working out of there. There’s a community. They support each other. They eat lunch together.

Nestor Aparicio  07:57

My wife finds out about this, yeah, it’s cool. She gets to get rid of me, yeah. Now

Patrick McQuown  08:01

everybody walks in. I always say nobody has ever just whelmed. They walk in and they’re like, holy moly, this is crazy. Well,

Nestor Aparicio  08:07

tell them about if there is someone out there and you’re looking for this sort of an environment. I lived downtown during a plague five years ago, and I had a neighbor that bought a fancy condo down the hallway from me, right? And I got to know him a little bit. And this was an older couple. I mean, older like older me. I’m 56 and they were in their 60s. They had left State College Pennsylvania, and he was a lawyer. And I looked him up a little bit. Didn’t really even get to know him well, because I left downtown, but he was adamant, when I spoke to him, I need to have a workspace. I need to find an office. I need to, you know, any office people downtown? I’m like, Dude, it’s downtown in 2020, you could probably get an office in any building you want here if you’re looking to write a big write a check, right? I mean, but that’s how he was thinking. And I thought to myself, dude, you spot this beautiful condo looks over to Harper, find the room over there in your office and where I can’t work from home, can’t work from home. It’s not like going to work. And that’s more of an old mindset of I think the plague changed that for a lot of people. A lot of people work from home, and thought, This isn’t good for me either, right? So that probably changed your the calling for your need is way different, yeah, than if the plague didn’t happen, probably, definitely, definitely, okay, yeah, because this guy was looking for you, and you kind of didn’t exist downtown, in that, in my mind, in my mind, yes, he wasn’t looking to have letterhead or his name on a gold plate on an office. He was just like, Look, I need to go to an office. I can’t be here in a house, yeah, with a living room in a kitchen, and be a lawyer. You know, in his mind he couldn’t do that. No, I’m sure Jim from MedStar probably felt the same way. Yeah.

Patrick McQuown  09:43

I mean, free co working wasn’t a thing till we made it a thing, and so it would spend a great experiment.

Nestor Aparicio  09:48

All right, so experimentally, you don’t really have to. This isn’t like playing a fitness where I got to join up, or $10 a month, or this is literally they want to work Monday. They come over. Yeah. What do they have? To do. What are they nothing. They

Patrick McQuown  10:01

sign in. That’s literally all they do. They sign in.

Nestor Aparicio  10:04

This is too easy. The segment you’re making a segment.

Patrick McQuown  10:07

So you gotta, let me, gotta, let me find print. The third part to our building is the accelerator that we have. That’s where companies anywhere, incubator, accelerator

Nestor Aparicio  10:18

checking, all right, different. What’s the difference between it Excel, incubator, you’re Mr. Yale guy.

Patrick McQuown  10:22

Earlier on, you’re like, Okay, I’m not in the market yet. I’m flushing out my idea. Okay, accelerator, you just gotten to the market, or we’ll get there very, very shortly. Okay, and so that’s what. So their thesis has kind of been validated. Excel

Nestor Aparicio  10:35

accelerators, I’m in business. It’s real. I need to grow, yeah, but I don’t I need, not big enough to, yeah, have an office up here. Yeah,

Patrick McQuown  10:43

I’m gonna start scaling and stuff like that. Yep. All right, so

Nestor Aparicio  10:47

it give me some success stories of your, I mean, a success story wouldn’t be leaving your building, right? Maybe, or no, graduating. We

Patrick McQuown  10:55

got, we had one that raised no money, meaning they didn’t give up any equity in their company, sold for 10 million cash. It’s better than Shark Tank. Yeah? Probably way better, way better, right? So here’s some of my favorites, Zen joy. These are three high school best friends. I already like the name of this, yeah? Okay, so they’re, they’re iced tea is remember in the aughts, everything was like, hustle, hustle, hustle, five hour energy. Yeah, theirs contains, I’m gonna screw it up, but it’s ingredients that, like, calm you down, like, get you to relax a little bit, like an indica, yeah, okay, slow it down, right? They’ve only raised $40,000 they figured out their product. They figured out manufacturing, they figured out fulfillment. They’re in 200 food line stores. In every single giant store there is, they’re crushing it. What is it? It’s a delicious ice tea drink, which I will bring you when I leave.

Nestor Aparicio  11:44

Why don’t we get it’s Friday, I don’t know, you know what? I mean, you can have it whenever you want. I mean, I, you know what sounds like a Tuesday drink, not a Friday drink to me. I mean, Fridays get it up, not keep it down. Yeah? Me,

Patrick McQuown  11:53

yeah. No. We got, we got a whole bunch of companies like that that come through the accelerator. I got music.

Nestor Aparicio  11:57

It’s just for Friday. We, you know, we have Patrick mcquan, here close enough. Prancer, the right way, so I get it right. Well. Mcwan, yeah, wow. Okay, I’m trying. It is the startup, if you’ve heard about it, sexy, it has a big T and a big U. The Start Up to you. So give me T use involvement in all this. And is this a place where students are just wandering over and doing some homework in your place too

Patrick McQuown  12:23

well, what I like to say the students, it’s the only building that the university owns that’s the real world, right? Like it’s not academics, not theory, it’s people in there are working on their business or for the company that employs them. So you’re not coming in to do homework, you’re coming in the students that use it for homework love it because the vibe is so much better than the library. Library is very

Nestor Aparicio  12:44

like, you know, well, the first thing I said, it’s like a library, like a lot like a library, it’s a place you go, but everybody to get ish done

Patrick McQuown  12:50

works that does work rather than studying or reading or research. A library is not a great environment. There’s not a lot of power outlets. The HVAC isn’t really that great. Working in an airport, you know, you can’t really have a meeting in there, you know, that type of thing. Whereas our space, you can have all that. We have 500 power outlets for 6000 square

Nestor Aparicio  13:07

feet. Anytime I want to have a meeting, I can have it at your place.

Patrick McQuown  13:11

Yeah? So the conference rooms, you got to be five or more, and then if you’re under five, there’s collaborative furniture all over the place. They can have, like an HOV lane in California, yeah. I mean big, huge booths that are bigger than this, that walls around them, and nobody’s gonna bug you. Well,

Nestor Aparicio  13:23

I think you’ve done a hell of a job explaining this to me. So, yeah, I’m, I’m more interested in exiting businesses and all this other Yale stuff you did, and this project for you seeing it through to this point. Is there a next step, another building? I mean, there’s, there’s so you taking us down the street to Morgan and cop and what happens next? So

Patrick McQuown  13:44

we got, we, for example, have a bunch of people that are like, hey, we want to start, we want to start investing in some of the companies that come out of the accelerator, right? So they, by themselves, not affiliated with the university, are starting that fund up. You might know them, Kyle Richardson very well, so Kyle’s involved in that,

Nestor Aparicio  14:00

right? I’ve done your hot yoga with Kyle Richardson. I’d screwed him up. Let him tell you. Ask. When you ask him about the hot yoga. I mean, I grew up with his wife too. So DJ, DJ, and I, you know, she Patapsco. She ain’t one of awesome Dundalk, but she Patapsco. So Kyle came here as the kicker, as the punter, after Greg Montgomery. And Greg was special to me, the late great Greg Montgomery. He was a Houston Oiler and I was an oiler fan. So So G, you know, G Money and Me used to roll a little bit, and he was a little different cat. And then Kyle came in, and Kyle and I fell in right away, and he wound up dating my friend, my childhood friend been married for 25 years or whatever. But when they were dating, before they were married, my wife and I, maybe it wasn’t. It was before my wife came along. It was but my wife came along. I talked them into going to hot yoga with me. Okay, 2001 he was a player. I mean, this is 123, because he got out of here a little after that, went to Cincinnati. To Seattle. He punted a couple other places when he left here, and he’s lived here forever, but I talked him into coming to do hot yoga with me in season, and he and Dawn met me at hot yoga and midtown yoga, and he got into class, and he did his whole thing with me. And two days later, I was out at practice, and this is in the old building, and billet comes up to me, and Bill, it’s as big as you, looks down at me, hey, I want to see you. He says to me,

Patrick McQuown  15:28

Billick, you dehydrated my kicker. Worse, worse, I

Nestor Aparicio  15:33

came into Bill’s office, and he always had a thing. He and I were great. He’s my partner, but he’s like, Hey, what’d you do to my punter? Man, yeah. And I’m like, Dude, I took him to hot yoga. No more hot yoga for him. Kyle couldn’t practice. Yeah, I’m sure Kyle hurt his hamster. Yeah, I’m sure hamstrings. I heard the punter or the team in week eight, so I fully responsible for that. Kyle would laugh if he’s here, but it is true, what’s Kyle’s involvement? Give me. He’s helping

Patrick McQuown  16:01

to start that fun. We also got, we’re doing what’s called a joint venture venture studio with MedStar, where they give us their doctors inventions, and we bring them to market. Kyle’s involved in that nice yeah? He’s involved everything we do out of the building, yeah? The pride of Cape Girardeau, yeah, Missouri, yeah. And then he got Femi to go through our accelerator last summer. What did Femi do? Femi is working on predictive sports analytics with with some people at Hopkins. He told

Nestor Aparicio  16:25

me I had Femi on last January. We were doing a thing for turnaround. It was a big charity endeavor for abused women and their children with turnaround, and Femi came down to Fay told me, I’m working on this accelerator today. Yeah, you know this. He told me something about it, but I didn’t. He was in the front.

Patrick McQuown  16:43

He’s brilliant. So you, I know your sports. You love this. So at the showcase, Femi was there, Kyle was there. They’re wearing their championship rings. There’s a local guy played for Seattle and a few other teams, Tony COVID 10, okay, okay. Tony’s there as well. Michael McCreary is there. Oh, my church, they’re all in the back. Tony walks through the back. McCrary goes, T cough. They play together on Seattle in 1999 they hadn’t seen each other until the showcase, wow. And they bump into each other at this

Nestor Aparicio  17:13

well, your boy should have been with me, Dad and maritime match, because I bumped into McCreary and sister, you know Max, my dude that you know that era of ravens players, it’s amazing. You’ve named dropped two players that have lived here a quarter of a century. They’re here because they played football. They’re here because they won championships. And they’re trying to do something that’s not legacy oriented, but just doing good community stuff, following up on Tom Maddie and Artie Donovan and John, you know, the people that left behind the legacy here. I mean, Brian tried to leave this behind my company. I mean, that was sort of where he was for Baltimore, positive for what I’ve done, the players that have been behind are doing great stuff right here in Towson, right on campus, right with you. And

Patrick McQuown  17:53

that’s what we do. We help them out, we give them support, we give them program, we give them funding. And it’s awesome. We’ve won two national awards. You know, you know, you go to win these awards. And people from University of Kentucky are like, so where’s Tosin?

Nestor Aparicio  18:05

Exactly. It’s like, Bowie, what do you win an award for? What is the accolade?

Patrick McQuown  18:11

Yeah. So the biggest award we won, it was in our first year. It’s called University Economic Development Association. It’s all about the economic development studio, right? And so universities now want to be engaged. It used to be built a wall and all that type of stuff. Now you want to be engaged with your community. We won as the most engaged university in the nation. Well,

Nestor Aparicio  18:32

I mean, if you have kids that are out off campus, interacting with other people, even if they’re attending bar, and they meet business owners and they’re in pre law, and they meet Robbie Leonard, who was here a minute, you know, and he needs a clerk. That’s how that, that is the real world. The real world is we put you up behind. I mean, internships were my thing in my industry. We lost John Feinstein today. You know, as a I wanted to be a journalist. I’m still trying hard all these years later, but I wanted to be a journalist. And, you know, part of it was be an intern, you know, learn your craft, learn how to do it. That was the professional environment that they wanted me out in. But not everything was like that at college campuses. It’s like work on your papers and your this and your that, Nah, man, go out and meet somebody who’s gonna hire you one day, or incubate yourself and accelerate yourself and have an idea that might be like, up dog yoga here in downtown Towson. Have a good idea, yeah, get on a mat. Don’t get the punter sore. We have Patrick mcquan

Patrick McQuown  19:32

doing it. Yeah,

Nestor Aparicio  19:35

it’s like, it’s like a loud and Richie. Ow. All right, there you go. Patrick McCloud is here he is the start up and tu at Towson. You’re at the corner. What? Where is it? Washington and Chesapeake, I was gonna say Allegheny and Pennsylvania. So I would’ve gotten that. Would never found the armor Google, you, man, you’re like, a big deal, right? So have you been like, Pat scary was sold out at any point? Is there ever. A day where, if I come over, I have my face pressed up to the glass, and you don’t have one of those 600 outlets for me. No, no, oh, you’re how so here’s a weird is a really good question for you. And Chris can speak to this, I wake up at three in the morning. I’m weird. Really weird. I get more done before 8am than most people do, when can I have access to your building? Well,

Patrick McQuown  20:23

the building is open 830 to 530 Okay, except Friday, we close up four otherwise. But found the gym rat. You give me a key, and then if you go through the accelerator, you get a 24 hour key. Yeah, one

Nestor Aparicio  20:33

of those at the NFL Network, so that, you know, I’m about to bring him up,

Patrick McQuown  20:36

yeah, yeah. So the guys that go through the accelerator, they get, they get card access, 24 hours a

Nestor Aparicio  20:41

day, all right, did I fill it? Did I get it all Did I did I leave anything out? Like I said, next time we’re gonna do Yale and pizza, but this time we’re gonna keep it, I

Patrick McQuown  20:49

would, I would say, you got to see the building. Do, do? Do an episode out of the building, and that way you can convey to your audience, like, what the vibe is, what the atmosphere is, and how it just can’t be manufactured. It’s done organically. And it’s really like nothing else you’ve

Nestor Aparicio  21:03

ever seen. There’s one. I got two problems that we’re doing the show in your place. One, I got to bring my lottery tickets, and I got to get my magic eight balls out. That’s one. And the second thing is, it’s the Maryland crab cake tour. So I got to figure out how to get, like, an imported crab cake. I got to figure out, like a food truck, somebody to bring me a crab cake by. If I’m gonna do the crab

Patrick McQuown  21:23

cake, we can do that Door Dash. I mean, drop off, get it. Get a food truck out there.

Nestor Aparicio  21:29

That’s what we do. All right, I’m working on it. All right. Well, Patrick is here. He will be there. Go see him at the startup. It’s all part of the great things that are going on in Towson. It’s all part of our Maryland crab cake. Torts all brought to you by the magic eight ball. Um, you look 18 years of age. Number 59 is yours. Thank you, sir. 59 was Joe maisi, probably back in the day. My best to Kyle. Richardson, you know, you got to tell Kyle. He should be on here. I’ll tell him. Tell him, I’ll be strange. You know, you and I’ll take a selfie right now.

Patrick McQuown  21:57

In fact, at the startup, that’s what I’m saying. You

Nestor Aparicio  22:01

want Kyle to do the show with me at the start up? Yeah. All right. I’m into that. All right. So here we’re gonna do here we go, three, two. There we go. Four, three. Kyle, you’re getting this one right now. Kyle Richardson, I’m looking for you. There you go. All right, I’ll send that to DJ too. All right, we’re here at the CVP. We’re gonna talk. My favorite thing, I came in, and I’m a little hippie, and I got a little l3 l4 thing that I might be going to GBMC to get a knife on at some point. So the whole hot yoga thing for me was taught to me in 1999 Brian Baldinger of the NFL Network with the pinky, was my co host at NFL films in 1999 and 2000 and if you know Baldy, he’s got a lot of energy, nasty, you got to do hot yoga, man, you got to get in the studio. There’s girls, there’s people. You’ll sweat. It’s great. It’s not contact. You’re gonna love it. You’re gonna focus. You’re gonna focus, man. And I’m like, All right, Baldy, you know, I’ll go take a yoga class 2026, years later, I’m a devotee, and Susan’s here from up dog yoga. We’re gonna talk to her about her beautiful studio. I think it’s a second or third floor. I see it up the stairs right across the way, behind Bandidos. I’m looking out the beautiful window of the CVP in Towson. I may chase some girls here and listen to some rock and roll back in the 80s, and Schaefers was across the street and increases around the corner and poor dicks down the way. But I’m an old soul here at Towson, learning about new things like the startup, the all new CVP and the new up dog yoga studio across the way. We’re back for more. We are wnst am 1570 Taos in Baltimore, the Maryland crab cake tour about crab cakes and startups and accelerators and incubators and stuff. Stay with us.